discuss. WHY do we need a self image, and can we live without one? why is it necessary or not necessary, im thinking its just a load or marketing shite myself, but just thought of it, anyone got any thoughts?
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Re: DO we NEED a self-image? what for?
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 7:44 AMTo me, your question is like saying "do we need a face" "do we need a body shape" "do we need personality".
It isn't "need" it's simply "what is." You have a self image. you cannot choose not to have one, if only 'cause in making that choice, you have created a "selfless-selfimage".
Self image is how you see yourself, and is necessarily different from how others see you, in the same way that your husband's image of you is different from your daughter's image of you, which is different from your bosses image of you, which is different from the gangster's image of you. Humans interact with thier world by defining what they see, and putting it into context with the rest of what they see. "i'm like this thing here"; "i am unlike this green leafy thing here", "i am nicer than this person there" "i am fatter than those people over there."
Now, perhaps what you are asking is "do we need to spend so much time on having a 'healthy' self image. for example, it might be a fact that everyone around you speaks 2 languages and you only speak one. It is part of your factual image to say "I speak only one language, my husband, child, inlaws, parents and employees all speak two langes". But then one steps into that who "self judgment" thing, and say "therefore i'm better/worse/pathetic/fine/safe/dumb/exciting because of it".
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Wed, February 14, 2007 - 5:55 PMIn "The Feeling Of What Happens" neuroscientist Antonio Damasio argues that consciousness crucially involves a sort of comparison between a representation of one's organism (i.e. self) with representations of the world. Consciousness arises from this self/non-self comparison.
Hmm, I didn't say that very well but I can't think of a better way off the top of my head.
Still, from an evolutionary viewpoint it's easy to see how having a representation of your organism helps you get around in the world. In a social species, this map ought to contain data about how one fits into the social group--one's success in navigating mammalian politics may depend on having good representations of self vs. other. In a social group one needs to have some idea who they can trust, who they can fuck, who they can kill, who they'd better not mess with, etc. These things may make up part of the "self-image."
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Fri, April 20, 2007 - 9:46 AMWhat I have found interesting is when ones "stated" self-image seems to differ from how other people seem to see them. I don't like to mess with someones self-image so I try not to follow my curiousity and dig at it with questions. But I would like to understand how these things can get out of kilter (sp?). -
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Fri, April 20, 2007 - 10:26 AMRichard, I think at least part of the answer to your question about how a person's self-image can differ from other peoples' views of that person is that our self-image is an edited picture. It has to be. We do not have the capacity to remember everything we have ever done, everything we have ever said, everything we have ever felt, on every day of our lives - it's hard enough to remember *everything* that happened in the last 5 minutes, especially since some of our behavior is unconscious. We seem to pick the hilights, or try to take some kind of average, but we're hardly unbiased in doing this. The optimist weaves this patchwork quilt largely out of positive memories, and the pessimist uses mostly negative ones. And we don't always get accurate feedback about our behavior, especially if we don't seem like we can handle the truth.
This is the beginning of an explanation, but when it comes to individuals whose self-image is wildly out of sync with what everybody else perceives, something more is going to be necessary. -
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 7:59 AMVoodoochild, sorry to correct you here, you said "We do not have the capacity to remember everything we have ever done, everything we have ever said, everything we have ever felt, on every day of our lives " the brain remembers EVERY thing you have ever done it's an issue of recall that is the hard part -
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 10:28 AMRobert, what is the evidence for this claim that the brain remembers everything we've ever done? Are you suggesting that somewhere my brain "knows" EVERY muscle movement I made on December 3rd 1977?
More to the point, if we can't recall all these minutia, does it really make sense to say we "remember" them? I could just have easily said that our concept of self is an edited picture because we don't have the capacity to "recall" everything we've done. And even if we somehow could recall everything, we would still have to decide which are the important bits - whether I held my coffee cup with 5 fingers or 4 at 10:30 on the morning of March 23, 2003 is probably not important to my concept of self, even though there is some fact of the matter about this.
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Fri, February 16, 2007 - 11:54 AM:: WHY do we need a self image, and can we live without one?
how are we supposed to model hypothetical social interactions with the world if we can't model ourselves? if we couldn't model these situations before trying them out, we'd be hilariously inept!
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 4:39 AMIf you've ever been a mother and a wife - you'd know all about the power of self image. trust me. (to original poster) -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 4:45 AMI retract the wifey bit. Sounded trite.
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 9:24 PMSelf-image is our personal understanding of ourselves. It would seem to be imperative to have this in order to differentiate ourselves from others. We also need this understanding in order to attempt to understand our relationships with others. I believe that self-image is composed of a reflection of ourselves from others and well as personal introspection. -
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 9:05 PMperhaps a better question might be, " how accurate is your self image, and how do you measure it? by comparison? to what and why? and to what purpose? -
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 9:45 PMSelf image is VERY important. It is also an inevitable part of being an introspective creature. If you choose to try to ignore your self image, you are not helping yourself. Instead people are better served by defining their self image in a way that is beneficial to themselves. For example if I define myself as being "lazy" I will find cases where I was lazy and act accordingly. If however I ask myself how am I hardworking, or how have I been hardworking I will also find an answer. So it is with this knowledge that we need to be very careful in how we allow ourselves to be defined.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 8:49 AMsince the very reality of your existence depends only on you, and how you perceive yourself and thereby interact with others, how can it be wrong?
If i perceive myself to be very giving - even in the face of a world which perceives me as stingy - ultimately my self image wins, it is truth, cause i define myself by my own standards.
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Sun, March 18, 2007 - 8:21 PMI need some self image and some people probably agree. I like a light, loose, jingle to my step. A creation the sun shines upon. Going around without a backpack upon me nor my hands upon a steering wheel. I ask that things see me and think or say, "that is him". Thats about as far as I need self-image. There could be more understanding that what I have said. -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 8:18 AMYes, we need a self-image. We have thoughts. "Cogito ergo sum"- I think therefore I am. I have my thoughts and you have your thoughts. Without a self-image, where does this "I" and "you" come from? -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 11:29 AMwhat are we WITHOUT a self image? -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 1:36 PMWithout a self image, there's just "us" or "we." People think of themselves as a group. Everybody lives in a community and in a society.Without this self image, people only think of themselves as part of a collective group. But I don't think it's ever possible to exist and not have an image of one's self. People want things for themselves, "I want that car" or "I need to sleep." We all are born into this world, but the circumstances on the day we're each born, are different. I think that self image shapes how we come to understand our world, how we come to understand how we fit into our world.
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 12:02 PMwhat are we WITHOUT a self image?
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probably pretty unkempt, as it's really hard to brush your hair without an image of yourself. ;-)
Course, we also might be vampaires. they don't cast an image of themslves in water or glass.
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Tue, June 19, 2007 - 8:03 AMAn eastern concept might argue this; We do not need a self image. The self image is merely an accumulation of our wants, likes, dislikes, memories, emotions. A hefty trunk of memories. Why do we so quickly jump to its defense? Because it is the known, it is all we have been with since the beginning of our lives, it is taught in our culture. We live in the known because it gives us the illusion of security. Images are objects, and we cling to objects in fear of impermanence of the self. They might also say that we can still have an image, but it is not what defines us, we are beyond the objects themselves, and should explore that aspect of life and simply being as well.
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Sat, January 5, 2008 - 5:54 AMI agree with the fact that self image is there whether you want it or not, but.....
True self image, how you see yourself, your true self. All that matters how you perceive and define yourself, not for the benefit of others but your own benefit. For no one else knows or sees who your true self is, for each person sees you differently from the next, they see a parts of you that you show them....but never can that define you for you are more.
I wrote a poem The Essence Of Me....i think this summed up who i see myself as, but everyone who knows me only sees one or some of those but never all...
For if i didn't know myself, how would exist to know all your aspects that make you whole and one is beneficial to your own growth and wellbeing. And new aspects are often added through out your life. Your self image is like a puzzle as you grow you add all the pieces until it is complete. It grows as you grow.