this is a rather cynical or pessimistic question to pose... but what is the point of having companions? i see that they are meant to share common ground, interests, ideas.. love and affection. but what if we have a hard time trusting people to the point that we'd rather not waste the time, energy, or emotion on setting ourselves up for another disappointment? what if we feel so isolated, so far removed, that we prefer our own company to the company of others? what if our outer worlds pale in comparison to our inner worlds, and we'd much rather frolic in our gardens than get tangled in the weeds?
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Re: companionship
Sun, November 26, 2006 - 12:18 PMI know exactly to what you're referring to, because I'm presently in that state of mind. But as much as one would like to be alone, companionship is necessary; that touch of life that we have to see outward and not just inward. The isolation could only go on for so long. The strange thing is that life sometimes forces the interactions, especially when you're comfortable with being alone. Personally, I just let people in just a bit to see the surface, and not what's underneath unless there's some level of trust attained. Waiting until it's the right time with the right people is something I believe in. Of course, I'm still waiting on that.
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Fri, December 15, 2006 - 10:56 PMgood post sead, thank you for your empathetic response. that's totally it, i always seem to keep people at arm's length. and it's really worked fine for me, for the most part. i am not a lonely person.. the only times i've felt alone is when i've felt misunderstood. even if i were in a room full of people who claim to care about me.. just that element of disconnect causes me to feel isolated. and it's cool, you know, because when you do connect with someone, it's more meaningful i think. i just know that society frowns upon being reclusive.. which i know doesnt matter - it really doesnt - but then i'm tired of thinking the world is full of idiots.
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Sun, November 26, 2006 - 2:30 PMI have a friend who has been like this. The funny thing was that he wasn't any different, anymore reliable, trustworthy. Ironically, people like yourself can come across as hostile to other people - it can be a very self-fulfilling vision of others. "The love that you give is equal to the love that you get." according to the Beatles.
Are you truely that different from everyone else or is this an attribution error?
Does this have to do with your expectations of other people?
People are complex. Ask yourself the question: if I met other people like me, would I give them enough of a chance (given that they too might not trust you enought to let you in) to find out how wonderful they really are, or I am going to judge them based on their initial hesitations towards other people? Does it all sound a bit circular?
But, there is notthing wrong with enjoying and reveling in your inner world. But your inner world is made up of and is mutual dependent on the external world - your world of ideas can be profoundly enriched by other's inner worlds. You don't have to hope, desire, expect eternal unconditional friendship. Sometimes just enjoying interaction and not expecting to get anything out of it leads to you getting a lot out if it. I too am a bit of a loner and will often rather be alone than with others - just me and my thoughts. But I am often wonderfully surprised by other people - even other peoples seeming stupidity can be interesting fodder for my mind. The world is one big act of interpretation - sociology or philosophy in practice. -
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Mon, November 27, 2006 - 10:13 AMHell is other people.
Contact with humans is fatal, and this is liberating.
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Mon, November 27, 2006 - 2:33 PMThe only people I find hellish are those people that think other people are hell.
Looking for problems with other people is pretty self-fulfilling - chances are they are more like you than you would lke to admit.
I believe Sartre changed his mind about other people being hell when push came to shove.
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Tue, November 28, 2006 - 3:20 PMNice posts Justin. I agree.
Sartre was wrong. Hell isn't other people, hell is isolation from other people. Even in prison if they want to punish you more, they take your out of your cage with other convicts and isolate you.
Modern studies of happiness and depression have shown that the happiest people are those who have the most friends and the most social interaction. Spending too much time alone, shutting the world out, and having pessimistic thoughts about humanity is a recipe for depression. It's a cycle that feeds itself and makes it increasingly more difficult to form intimate relationships with other people, which makes us more depressed, which makes makes people not want to be around us...
I'm naturally a little reclusive, but I find that I'm happiest when I'm fighting this tendency and seeking social interaction. -
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Tue, November 28, 2006 - 3:39 PMI mentioned modern studies of happiness. Here is an abstract from one published in 2002 in the journal Psychological Science by Martin Seligman and E. Diener:
"A sample of 222 undergraduates was screened for high happiness using multiple confirming assessment filters. We compared the upper 10% of consistently very happy people with average and very unhappy people. The very happy people were highly social, and had stronger romantic and other social relationships than less happy groups. They were more extraverted, more agreeable, and less neurotic, and scored lower on several psychopathology scales of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Compared with the less happy groups, the happiest respondents did not exercise significantly more, participate in religious activities significantly more, or experience more objectively defined good events. No variable was sufficient for happiness, but good social relations were necessary. Members of the happiest group experienced positive, but not ecstatic, feelings most of the time, and they reported occasional negative moods. This suggests that very happy people do have a functioning emotion system that can react appropriately to life events."
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Mon, January 1, 2007 - 8:50 PMYou might enjoy Italo Calvino's Mr Palomar ...stories about a disconnected man...
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Tue, November 28, 2006 - 4:12 PMBiologically, humans are social animals. We are incapable of surviving without other humans. I do not genrally put any stock in psychology, except as a social tool to make people conform, but the term sociopath is the ideal you are reaching towards. I do not attach a judgement with this, there are many sociopathic tendencies in my personality. -
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Tue, November 28, 2006 - 6:35 PMIt is interesting that many of us are noting our reclusive, loner, sociopathic tendencies - call it what you like - but acknowledge the significant role 'other' play in our subjective wellbeing.
It has been pointed out by some that philosophers often occupy a certain removal from social practices that many others have, which forms the conditions for the perspectives and insights they have. This can lead to a fascination with others or a feeling of alienation, or both maybe.
Moreover, there is something ironic about the quest to ask other people, interact with others, about the desire to not be interacting with others. Hmmm.
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Sun, March 18, 2007 - 8:40 PMthey are worth nothing if a similar spirit or shared activity or mutually beneficial activity is taking place. the need to be among stuff on a sunny day is fine but no-one commits to much even though they demand hello, goodbye, and handshakes. the very thought of being part of a "people" and then getting together and they are at full adrenalin with one or two "not into's". there are others like you on this internet, serious. -
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Sun, March 18, 2007 - 7:59 PMMaybe Heidegger stopped seeing Being and Time as fundamental ontology, but it is always going to be a great story of why we are are as we are. Part of that story is the concept of Mitsein (Being-with). We understand ourselves in fundamentally social terms in a language that we mostly got from others, and even when we are poetically or phonologically innovating, we do using rules and rules about rules that are always in relation to others.
When Paul Simon wrote, "I am a rock, I am an island..." about 40 years ago, he wound up singing it to millions of people. Nothing stops us from falling into that mood on occasion, but (ontological) truth stops us from staying in it.
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Sun, May 20, 2007 - 11:00 AMInteresting thread,I don't quite feel as alienated as whoever started this thread claims,but I understand the feelings and have been there off and on over the years.I've always been more solitary by nature and that's put people off.Yet I don't shun relationships when they happen,I just find I need more often than not to feel alone not constantly around others.There's nothing worse than an hovering,always wanting to know everything spouse...closesness can be nice,too much is suffocating as hell.As for the bitterness and mistrust,I keep telling myself I'd rather be alone than settle for someone I don't really want to be with.A tough choice a being lonely is hard to bear,but I''ve found I need to balance being alone with involvement and friendship with others.I expect disapointment and hurts. I know I'm not that easy to get along with,not putting myself down,but I can be very critical and harsh with others,emotionally 'touchy'.So yeah,that plus not trusting others too easily is an viscious circle.As anyone who's been burnt can easily attest to,choosing to trust again despite that fear is the hardest thing.Trusting oneself as well goes hand in hand.My 2 cents worth.
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 9:29 AMWe are social beings that are not meant to be isolated. Excessive isolation creates depression. As people stated above, being social and spending time with friends creates happiness within yourself and the people you surround yourself with. If there are trust issues, then that is something you have to work on yourself. The key is finding the right people to be with who share the same values that you do. As we get older, some of us may grow apart due to different paths we take in life. Our values and priorities change which in turn changes the arrangement of the friendship. This is natural and you will find other people to spend time with who share your interests.
